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	<description>I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world.   --Bertrand Russell</description>
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		<title>By: ericaustinlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ericaustinlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... the way I might put it might be something like this:

If truth is fundamentally relational, then it is so only because God is &lt;i&gt;Triune&lt;/i&gt; and thus fundamentally the mutual exchange (&lt;i&gt;perichoresis&lt;/i&gt;) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  

The point being made is that what is "relational" has a &lt;i&gt;distinct&lt;/i&gt; bit o' content and not just "relationality" in general.

Oh yes, language is always finite!

Peace,

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; the way I might put it might be something like this:</p>
<p>If truth is fundamentally relational, then it is so only because God is <i>Triune</i> and thus fundamentally the mutual exchange (<i>perichoresis</i>) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  </p>
<p>The point being made is that what is &#8220;relational&#8221; has a <i>distinct</i> bit o&#8217; content and not just &#8220;relationality&#8221; in general.</p>
<p>Oh yes, language is always finite!</p>
<p>Peace,</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: victor</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good insight Eric.  Are you saying, then, that truth is fundamentally relational?  Can objective, propositional statements be made about God which are not un-true?  

Of course this immediately forces us to recognize the inadequacy of language to convey accurately 'the mysteries of God'.  So, I suppose, while a propositional statement might be accurate, it is never complete.

Thanks for thinking with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insight Eric.  Are you saying, then, that truth is fundamentally relational?  Can objective, propositional statements be made about God which are not un-true?  </p>
<p>Of course this immediately forces us to recognize the inadequacy of language to convey accurately &#8216;the mysteries of God&#8217;.  So, I suppose, while a propositional statement might be accurate, it is never complete.</p>
<p>Thanks for thinking with me.</p>
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		<title>By: ericaustinlee</title>
		<link>http://brainwrecker.com/uncategorized/truth/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>ericaustinlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a kind of theological grammar that Christians need to learn; a kind of logical ordering of the faith, if you will.  There is no truth "about" Jesus: Jesus &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; the truth.  The truth is a person who is both fully divine and fully human, with both of these realities fully sharing (but not mixing) with one another (lest we repeat the Nestorian heresy).  

Traditional theology also says that God's existence is identical with God's essence -- it is only God's creation that has an existence not identical with its essence (i.e. our essence is that we are made in the image of God and called to fully participate in Christ by the Spirit but this differs from our actual existence because of sin).  Thus, if God's existence has any kind of objectivity, it is only known by the truth which is faith in that truth -- Jesus Christ -- itself.  This is why people cannot begin to understand: either they have no faith in Christ at all, or they think that there is some sort of truth "higher" than the person of Christ which makes Christ just a "good example" of something "true-er", so it's really "all subjective" anyway.

This is why I never believe any of that modern gnostic Da Vinci Code rubbish: because they always claim to have some truth &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt; Jesus, which I hope I have demonstrated, is a bit absurd.

It is essential that this truth is also identical with love, for God is Love.  I would also argue that God is the unity of truth, goodness, and beauty which is also love, but that is another discussion...

Thanks for this post, Pastor.

Peace,

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a kind of theological grammar that Christians need to learn; a kind of logical ordering of the faith, if you will.  There is no truth &#8220;about&#8221; Jesus: Jesus <i>is</i> the truth.  The truth is a person who is both fully divine and fully human, with both of these realities fully sharing (but not mixing) with one another (lest we repeat the Nestorian heresy).  </p>
<p>Traditional theology also says that God&#8217;s existence is identical with God&#8217;s essence &#8212; it is only God&#8217;s creation that has an existence not identical with its essence (i.e. our essence is that we are made in the image of God and called to fully participate in Christ by the Spirit but this differs from our actual existence because of sin).  Thus, if God&#8217;s existence has any kind of objectivity, it is only known by the truth which is faith in that truth &#8212; Jesus Christ &#8212; itself.  This is why people cannot begin to understand: either they have no faith in Christ at all, or they think that there is some sort of truth &#8220;higher&#8221; than the person of Christ which makes Christ just a &#8220;good example&#8221; of something &#8220;true-er&#8221;, so it&#8217;s really &#8220;all subjective&#8221; anyway.</p>
<p>This is why I never believe any of that modern gnostic Da Vinci Code rubbish: because they always claim to have some truth <i>about</i> Jesus, which I hope I have demonstrated, is a bit absurd.</p>
<p>It is essential that this truth is also identical with love, for God is Love.  I would also argue that God is the unity of truth, goodness, and beauty which is also love, but that is another discussion&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for this post, Pastor.</p>
<p>Peace,</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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